Corelation between meditation and physical body

[Liuyi]

I once watched a video named Spiritual Reality made by Indian masters years ago. In a section of this video, it introduces and explains the great healing efforts that meditation contributes to the physic body. I believe it is true, but when I communicate with practitioners of meditation, I find out a truth that not all the practitioners are free from physical disorders, and the percentage of meditation practitioners who's got physical disorders is not low, some of them even carry the physical problems for years. After meditation for years, the physical problems are still there. So I came out that there must be something wrong. So I digged into this field and also compared the breath-focused method of meditation with the meditative technique from ancient China and I find out the difference and the most possible reason to this question.

The key point as to whether one person have physical disorders or not is the energy level WITHIN the body. (To better understand, let's bring two conceptions: body energy and cosmic energy.).The way that meditation increase the energy level within the body is to adsorb energy from universe.  After research and with experience of myself and others, I came to know that this is true. It can be done. A person is able to adsorb cosmic energy into their body, BUT, only a few person is able to actually connect with cosmic energy and actually adsorb them into their body and further clear the physical disorders, the percentage is very small, and it can be done only when this person gets into the Samadhi state or similar (I'm not quite sure the name of that state in English), even though, sometimes, the time in that state is too short and not stable. That could be the main reason why a large number of breath-focused meditation practioners are still with physical problems after years of meditation, simply because they are not able to connect and adsorb the cosmic energy into their body.

On the contrary, the meditative technique from ancient China starts from increasing the body energy in the first place, and then, when the energy within the body become strong enough clearing all the physical disorders, it will be much easier for a person to actually connect with cosmic energy and go further as the same way as meditation(for example, the Astral travel), cause a sound physical and energy basis has already been established.

Simply speaking, breath-focused meditation starts aiming at a comparatively higher goal, taking longer time and less achievable, and the meditative technique from ancient China starts aiming at a comparatively lower or easier achieving goal which is more suitable for common people, and both ways leads to the same destination.

So what is the corelation between meditation and physical body? Is it a deeper meditation leads to a better physical body, or is it a better physical body leads to a deeper meditation? which way?

welcome to the discussion.

[raushan]

All these chasing mystical experience from meditation is just another distraction. Another form of escape.

[Matthew]

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Simply speaking, breath-focused meditation starts aiming at a comparatively higher goal, taking longer time and less achievable, and the meditative technique from ancient China starts aiming at a comparatively lower or easier achieving goal which is more suitable for common people, and both ways leads to the same destination.

Still trying to sell us Chinese meditation huh? Thought we covered the pointlessness of coming here with a different system once already. Oh well.

So what is the corelation between meditation and physical body? Is it a deeper meditation leads to a better physical body, or is it a better physical body leads to a deeper meditation? which way?

Both ways, obviously.

[Matthew]

All these chasing mystical experience from meditation is just another distraction. Another form of escape.

Yes.

[Liuyi]

Hi Matthew, when I came to this forum for the first time year ago, I saw a member of this forum asking for help because of the long lasting headache caused by his practise, and later he also find out that it is not only him, but also many others, I know what happens based on my practise which you called a different system, that is ok. So I join this forum making replies trying to help cause I know what a bad feeling is that, putting a link there is just to let them know that there is way to help them. If you click into the pages, you will find there is a free session to help them.

I believe that vipassana is a technique, not a religion, and the same that what we are offering is also only a technique, not a religion, why there is a so much strong boundary between similiar techniques among which there are many things in common and leads to the same destination. Maybe this could be one of the reasons that there is only few threads and replies in a year on this forum cause members of this forum seldom being benefited from communications which I think is not consistent with the meaning as of Forum. So, please be open, for the good of the members.

Yes, I'm sort of realized the pointlessness of coming here.

[raushan]

I believe that vipassana is a technique, not a religion, and the same that what we are offering is also only a technique, not a religion, why there is a so much strong boundary between similiar techniques among which there are many things in common and leads to the same destination. Maybe this could be one of the reasons that there is only few threads and replies in a year on this forum cause members of this forum seldom being benefited from communications which I think is not consistent with the meaning as of Forum. So, please be open, for the good of the members.

Yes, I'm sort of realized the pointlessness of coming here.

There are so many assumptions and beliefs in your answer. First there are some rules that was made to stop unnecessary spamming. If everyone start putting there blog links and techniques here it will become a marketplace.  And no one get a single coherent answer. The assumption of yours of this forum being less active is entirely false.  This rule was established since this forum opened from day 1.

You don't know if members are being benefitted or not. Often the more crowd is somewhere there is chance the more is that place for entertainment not to seek truth. Entertainment can also be spiritual entertainment.

[dharma bum]

Recently, I have started to visit a Chan meditation centre. To be honest, the idea of chi or energy to me is strange, maybe because I associate the word energy with its meaning in science. So I need a more precise definition of it. Also some people use the word 'vibe' or 'vibrations'. This is also something that I don't understand.

But the Chan tradition has some differences with the Theravada tradition and some other traditions that I am (only slightly) familiar with. They appear to have some physical exercises to loosen up. Also, traditionally the Chinese don't have a culture of begging for alms, so Chan monasteries would own land and cultivate their own food. In some other traditions monks have to accept alms and eat whatever they receive. This might not always be healthy food. So the lifestyles of a lot of monks might not include sufficient physical exercise and healthy food.

We have to remember that in Buddha's time, people used to walk a lot and there was no processed food.

[raushan]

Recently, I have started to visit a Chan meditation centre. To be honest, the idea of chi or energy to me is strange, maybe because I associate the word energy with its meaning in science. So I need a more precise definition of it. Also some people use the word 'vibe' or 'vibrations'. This is also something that I don't understand.

I think reference of chi can be more understood with the term Force in the movie starwars. Or, Prana in the Hinduism.

[Matthew]

Do you meditate in the Chan tradition Liuyi? If no, what is the name of the tradition please? Please do not post links, or you will get barred.

[Dhamma]

As I already mentioned a few times, I practice Zhineng Qigong.  There are a lot of elements of Tibetan Buddhism in it.

It helps me mentally and physically.

Master Mingtong Gu says we need to go beyond religion to see clearly, even if we draw from certain spiritual traditions. The Buddha wanted us to go past religion as well.