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Siddharth

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2020, 09:42:50 AM »
Something that I feel more strongly about these days as I try to(and often fail to) express what I experience inside is this:

"to suggest is to create, to describe is to destroy"
And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?

Matthew

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2020, 11:52:20 AM »
Something that I feel more strongly about these days as I try to(and often fail to) express what I experience inside is this:

"to suggest is to create, to describe is to destroy"

That's a very beautiful quotation Siddharth. The nuance of language can be difficult on a text based forum such as this. Something I have made clear elsewhere is that nothing should be taken on belief or blind faith, only upon examination, and when confirmed by self experimentation. Perhaps I wrongly assume that everyone comes here with that attitude, so this is a timely reminder.
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raushan

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2020, 01:26:06 PM »
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Psychologists bastardise maths to reach conclusions they have already formed. It is not even a science. It is pseudo-science, AKA "woo". Next best thing to healing Chakras with "energised crystals" :D


Yes, I agree with you. I have seen even Jordan Peterson twisting the Buddhism and Hinduism concept in his lecture. A lot of what he says sounds good. But twisting the fact doesn't seem right.

I feel actual work is always terrifying. So, I feel lot of people try to do workaround of that.

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Taleb is a damn genius. Black Swans is his most authoritative work. He is a specialist in probability and "fat tail" risk. His work on coronavirus is beyond anyone else.


Yes, He is a genius. I didn't know that you were aware of his work. I agree with his statement that independent thinking can not be determined by a standard test. He tells because of IQ test people like Feynman, Einstein will be missed. Richard Feynman had an IQ score of 80-90. But it's still a very popular test in all across the company hiring. Yes, I also saw his work on coronavirus.

I also find this guy blog interesting. https://www.kapilguptamd.com/

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We all have differing talents and idiosyncrasies. "Intelligence" comes in many guises. Finding the things we are good at takes a lot of work: to move beyond the social contract and the demands of conformity it places upon us. Why the Buddha taught you must hate your mother and father - he didn't mean it literally, just that you must move beyond clinging to the dogma they conditioned you with: as you must beyond everything to which you cling.

Do you have a reference where Buddha said to hate your mother and father? I really find it interesting. Even though they have well wish for us but they try to bind us in their own ideas.
Also, I agree,a lot of fighting a person does with society. Even great scientists often find themselves conforming to the current academic trend. Those who try to do things differently are criticized. I feel this is true for any group of people. That's what Buddha had to do. He had to leave all the current society beliefs, meditation techniques had to found his own path.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2020, 01:32:46 PM by raushan »

Thanisaro85

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2020, 04:06:34 PM »
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Yes, I agree with you. I have seen even Jordan Peterson twisting the Buddhism and Hinduism concept in his lecture. A lot of what he says sounds good. But twisting the fact doesn't seem right. 

My impression of J.Peterson, he fight very hard within, to be staying sane. I think that from a non religious perspective. He gave a handful of great advices for a human being to stay strong to develop strength and braveness.  I saw much suffering in him...


A Mind Unshaken, when touches by worldy matter, sorrowless, secure and dustless, this is the ultimate great blessing~ Mangala Sutta

raushan

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2020, 08:18:28 PM »
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Yes, I agree with you. I have seen even Jordan Peterson twisting the Buddhism and Hinduism concept in his lecture. A lot of what he says sounds good. But twisting the fact doesn't seem right. 

My impression of J.Peterson, he fight very hard within, to be staying sane. I think that from a non religious perspective. He gave a handful of great advices for a human being to stay strong to develop strength and braveness.  I saw much suffering in him...

Not sure but maybe. He does have a lot of pressure and works really hard. He also has a depression problem. But he doesn't approach the mind as Buddhist way. His approach is psychological.
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Thanisaro85

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2020, 03:45:29 AM »
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Not sure but maybe. He does have a lot of pressure and works really hard. He also has a depression problem. But he doesn't approach the mind as Buddhist way. His approach is psychological.

Agreed with you on this.
A Mind Unshaken, when touches by worldy matter, sorrowless, secure and dustless, this is the ultimate great blessing~ Mangala Sutta

Dhamma

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2020, 07:35:49 PM »
This is a great thread. I am unaware of the people you are all talking about.

I know little about high math, even though I enjoy algebra and geometry. So, I am not sure I could understand anything written by the NYC professor you have been discussing.

We know by experience. Matthew really drives that message home. And that is indeed the Buddha's message.

Yuttadhammo Bikkhu's talks on "noting" (breaking it all down into aggregates) and dependent origination have had a profound effect on me, even though I cannot stand the man's personality. LOL. I discovered over the past year or so through "mental noting" how all external pleasures are fleeting, unable to fully satisfy. I experienced it, and so I know it's true. I see how clinging leads to suffering. I took a teaching and "applied" it. I saw the results myself. No one did it for me; I did it myself.  Blind faith has no role in Buddhism, as we see in other world religions.

The parent comments really hit home. I love my parents to death, but I will not have them forever. They were beautiful to me all my life, but they suffer from major delusions that were passed onto me. I, too, have major delusions about life as well. I shall "describe to destroy", friends, as I want to see ultimate reality clearly.

I'm listening to a beautiful song right now. I want the feeling to last that I am feeling now as I listen to it -- but it cannot. The sounds all come to a stop after so long.  :(

All pleasures are fleeting.  The song cannot bring eternal peace, even though I love it, and always, always want to hear it.

Why on god's green earth do we keep building castles in the sky? Why oh why? May these delusions stop for once and all.

Mahayana Buddhism (Zen, Tibetan) has helped soften the rough ride that Theravada has put me on. :'( LOL.  All Buddhist schools have their gems. ;D


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Matthew

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Re: Meditation, nimita and ripening karma.( excerpts of experiences)
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2020, 07:03:22 PM »
Do you have a reference where Buddha said to hate your mother and father? I really find it interesting. Even though they have well wish for us but they try to bind us in their own ideas.

No - I got that wrong. I was confusing it with a bible verse, Luke ch14p26:

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If any man come to Me and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
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