Author Topic: If you desire serenity u wont get it, but if you do not want it you will get it!  (Read 250 times)

ItsBetterThanTV

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So clearly we all want serenity, but it seems you have to go a little mad and pretend you dont want it to get it, when really of course you want it. Thats why we do this.

How did you come to terms with teaching points like this that almost tell you to try and fool yourself into thinking and believing something irrational?


Sorry to ask so many questions !

ItsBetterThanTV

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I suppose you just "put it on" there's room in the human mind to be this irrational and have it still work, so thats great for us! :)))

SpaceofAwareness

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I suppose you just "put it on" there's room in the human mind to be this irrational and have it still work, so thats great for us! :)))
Who or what inside is wanting serenity? Have you noticed that serenity is impermanent, it can come and go, it is situational, it depends on external conditions?

What if there were a way to be okay with any external situation?

Can you observe the internal reaction to challenging situations, and the accompanying aversion? Do you notice how that also is impermanent? Can you observe the internal reaction to pleasant situations, and the accompanying clinging, and notice how that is also impermanent? Can you notice the internal reaction to neutral situations and the accompanying tendency to seek stimulus, and how this is also impermenant?
« Last Edit: January 27, 2020, 11:44:01 AM by SpaceofAwareness »

stillpointdancer

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Teaching points like that often sound silly, mostly because stuff like that is difficult to put into words. The problem is that we have access to teachings which, in the past, would have only be presented to you when your teacher thought you were ready for them. Nowadays we can read such things and tie ourselves in knots trying to fathom what on earth they mean. In this case it merely says that meditation is not a specific tool to be used to gain specific ends in a simplistic way. If we could all just think ourselves 'serene' there would be no stressed people in the world. Meditation does work, just not in the direct way we often think it does.
“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” Franz Kafka

Siddharth

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Teaching points like that often sound silly, mostly because stuff like that is difficult to put into words. The problem is that we have access to teachings which, in the past, would have only be presented to you when your teacher thought you were ready for them. Nowadays we can read such things and tie ourselves in knots trying to fathom what on earth they mean. In this case it merely says that meditation is not a specific tool to be used to gain specific ends in a simplistic way. If we could all just think ourselves 'serene' there would be no stressed people in the world. Meditation does work, just not in the direct way we often think it does.
I agree SPD, today there is much chatter around the practise and less practise. As a general rule, I try to read and write and speak about the practise only half as much I practise in terms of time.
As goenka say, theory and practise go hand in hand

Regards,
Siddharth
And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?

 

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