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hovhannes

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What is the need for outside sources?
« on: April 22, 2017, 06:37:45 AM »
There are many practices, methods, and tools concerned with meditation. Is your own nature and being something that needs to be practiced or taught? Why is it that stress is something that many seek to manage, or lessen, through meditation? Meditation has become widely a form of medication, with sicentific analysis of which method to use when, what to do for what time, and so on.

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Re: What is the need for outside sources?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2017, 06:48:21 AM »
Most people aren't cognisant of the visage that is the human ego. They project their beliefs and emotions on the universe and these are often imaginary, and the cause of stress or depression in the first instance. So yes, it's something that highly likely needs to be taught to people in order for them to live a more peaceful existence.

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Re: What is the need for outside sources?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2017, 07:16:12 AM »
What is there to be taught?

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Re: What is the need for outside sources?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 11:30:03 AM »
Is your own nature and being something that needs to be practiced or taught?
The idea is to see your own nature in a different way, through enlightenment experiences. You can't practice your own nature, but you can practice how to see it. What can be practiced and taught is how others have done this. What you need to do is find what can help you move on to enlightenment, given the stage you are at. At the point of enlightenment, you then see your own nature for what it is.
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Re: What is the need for outside sources?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2017, 05:02:18 PM »
In the search to find what can move one to so called enlightenment, one still has a goal in mind, something to reach, something to become. As long as there is an objective in meditation, and enlightenment is often the objective, there cannot be any chance for meditation. Does not the search for what can help one to become enlightened become a practice of psychology? A frantic search for a method or set of methods in order to reach a state?

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Re: What is the need for outside sources?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2017, 06:58:29 PM »
The path should involve an end to craving. So enlightenment becomes less of a goal or objective, and something that becomes reached once the ego has dissipated and a clear, peaceful establishment of mind is fostered.

But yes, if you sat down every day and set yourself a goal of enlightenment or bust, you'll likely fail.

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Re: What is the need for outside sources?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2017, 05:51:50 AM »
There are many practices, methods, and tools concerned with meditation.

There are many forms of meditation.  In the Buddhist tradition what is emphasised is seeing and undoing the roots of suffering, or stress in one's own life, all caused by the way the mind works. These roots are said to be desire, ill-will, (or anger/hatred), and ignorance  The meditation tools for this are are the development compassion, concentration, and peace (through progressively "letting go").  This leads to the arising of clear-seeing/insight/vipassana. Vipassana lets us see/inquire into the impermanent and unsatisfactory nature of phenomena - including our suffering/stress. An aid to success is living a moral/virtuous life.  This way you do not make stressful situations for yourself or hurt others.

Is your own nature and being something that needs to be practiced or taught?

No, it is something revealed when the you let go progressively of the masks and habits that hide it.

Why is it that stress is something that many seek to manage, or lessen, through meditation?

People seek to manage or lessen stress through meditation mainly because it works.  The truth is that life is inherently stressful, yet all of that stress is induced in your mind.  Meditation is a good antidote as it tames the mind and makes it your servant, not your master.

Meditation has become widely a form of medication

That is no surprise.  As above stress can be reduced (or eliminated) with meditation. Also medication and meditation share the same Latin root "Medicare", to heal.  Both can help heal body and mind.
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Re: What is the need for outside sources?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2017, 06:23:05 AM »
Is your own nature and being something that needs to be practiced or taught?

What exactly is 'own nature'? When I first took an urgent interest in meditation, I was looking for peace. My 'nature' at that time was not peaceful therefore I was not looking for my "own nature".

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Why is it that stress is something that many seek to manage, or lessen, through meditation?

Because stress is painful, unhealthy & suffering. The goal of life is well-being, contentment & peace.

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Meditation has become widely a form of medication, with sicentific analysis of which method to use when, what to do for what time, and so on.

Not so. Meditation is another way of life.

What is there to be taught?

The basics. There is peace (Nirvana) and there is a one-step method to reach it (letting go).

In the search to find what can move one to so called enlightenment, one still has a goal in mind, something to reach, something to become. As long as there is an objective in meditation, and enlightenment is often the objective, there cannot be any chance for meditation.

There is always a goal (which is placed in the back of the bottom drawer of the mind). The mind must become peace to reach peace. There must be initial stillness (letting go; abandonment) to find the great peace. Believing that you are watching your mind that goes round & round in circles of emotion & ego is not meditation.

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Does not the search for what can help one to become enlightened become a practice of psychology? A frantic search for a method or set of methods in order to reach a state?

Teachers like Krishnamurti were never free, which is why they had sexual affairs with married women.

The noble eightfold path is a complete method. It is proven to work.

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