Author Topic: Levitation while meditating!?  (Read 13144 times)

VinceField

Levitation while meditating!?
« on: June 29, 2014, 08:09:30 PM »
I have heard claims from some monks and teachers that they have witnessed people levitate during meditation.  Does anyone believe this is possible?  In an experiment to see if it was possible, I tried it myself and videotaped it. 

Spontaneous Levitation During Meditation

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 09:10:59 PM »
If you didn't have video's like the below on your channel (and it didn't look so faked with Adobe software) I'd be impressed.

Vincent Field VISUAL EFFECTS REEL [HD]

After Effects - Flying / Fire Starter / Exploding Man Effects [HD]

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If you can levitate that's delightful. If you happen to be a pro or experienced amateur with Adobe Video Editing software don't pretend you're flying.

In answer to your question:

I have heard claims from some monks and teachers that they have witnessed people levitate during meditation.  Does anyone believe this is possible?

Maybe, but probably not. It's pretty normal for religious figureheads to have their "achievements and abilities" exagerated to inflate interest in the religion by later adherents.
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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 10:24:25 PM »
Aw you caught me!  ;D 

Don't worry, my intention was not to deceive, just to entertain.  But the idea of levitation has been on my mind lately after hearing a monk say that he has seen it with his own eyes on more than one occasion.  Perhaps it is possible to defy the laws of physics by attuning to a level of consciousness in which one is able to directly experience the illusory nature of the physical world and thus temporarily free oneself from its limitations.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 02:10:13 AM »
I don't have enough proof in the metaphysical to give it much weight regardless of the source.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 03:27:31 AM »
Aw you caught me!  ;D

It wasn't difficult. Regarding your other comments they all fall into the category of egotistic speculation and are not beneficial to knowing truth.
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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 03:52:53 AM »
That could spark debate over what truth is.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 06:21:22 AM »
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It wasn't difficult. Regarding your other comments they all fall into the category of egotistic speculation and are not beneficial to knowing truth.

It wasn't suppose to be.  ;)  And indeed DT, the meaning of truth here could be debated, as "egotistic" speculation has led many to testing hypotheses and ultimately discovering the "truth" regarding the nature of innumerous aspects of our physical reality.  In fact, everything we know as a species is a result from an initial speculation into the nature of phenomenon.  Even the Buddha's speculation (which was born of his thinking mind) that there was more to the meditation practices that were taught to him led him to his eventual enlightenment.  And I could have sworn you speculated in your previous post when you attempted to answer my question about levitation.  Or was that some kind of "egoless" speculation?  I'm not spending my days pondering the nature of levitation and other metaphysical concepts, so I think I'll be fine.       

As a side note, I believe the word "egoic" is more appropriate here, as egotistic means "conceited or self-centered," whereas egoic means "of or relating to the ego or a sense of personal self."  I'd hardly relate curiosity with vanity.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 07:56:38 AM »
Well there's something someone can hold as a "truth", using whatever metric they want to use to determine a truth, and then a truth like some sort of empirically observed fact.
And I could have sworn you speculated in your previous post when you attempted to answer my question about levitation.  Or was that some kind of "egoless" speculation?
I didn't really speculate anything, I outlined what will and won't get a lot of consideration as being real, or even likely real, from me. Maybe that is egotistical, although I don't have any personal stock in magical/metaphysical claims being actually true, I just find it a useful tool to avoid lines of enquiry that are likely going to lead to a dead end.

Although my dog barks at noises and shadows, she probably doesn't have much of an ego, so maybe it could go either way.

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What is the worth of levitation?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 11:51:22 AM »
I have heard claims from some monks and teachers that they have witnessed people levitate during meditation.  Does anyone believe this is possible?
Even so, I think that the most efficient way to go to the first floor is walking up the stairs.  :)

    . . .    the idea of levitation has been on my mind lately after hearing a monk say that he has seen it with his own eyes on more than one occasion.  Perhaps it is possible to defy the laws of physics by attuning to a level of consciousness in which one is able to directly experience the illusory nature of the physical world    . . .   
I heard  about comparable things from people that I trust. The point is that they did not see that as defying anything, nor would they speak of "the illusory nature of the physical world". What they saw, they regarded as the result of many years of training - training that was done for the people. A training that took many hardships. A training that one does not survive, if one does it to "defy laws" or to leave the physical world behind.
(The ones who told me were on such a path themselves. And not for themselves, but to support others.)
Being there for others, being there to support life is part of one's own safety net. Being aloof of reality is dangerous - for oneself and for others. (I am just telling you - I will never prove this.)  :)

That could spark debate over what truth is.
As for me, it could spark a debate about what proper conduct is. Especially, how necessary it is to have proper conduct. Lest one loses orientation.

You are welcome. ;)

VinceField

Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 01:59:41 PM »
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I didn't really speculate anything, I outlined what will and won't get a lot of consideration as being real, or even likely real, from me.

LOL DT that post was for Matthew and applies to his post, not yours.  Sorry, I guess I confused you by throwing "DT" in there, I only did so to refer to your question regarding the nature of truth.  The rest of my post is for Matthew.  Nothing I said other than "Indeed the meaning of truth could be speculated here" applies to you.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 05:52:36 PM »
I meant egotistical. You used your video editing skills to do something to build your ego - you may not yet have the wisdom to recognise this, yet it is undoubtedly the case.

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. I don't produce fake videos of fake achievements, nor make fake claims of fake achievements - these things are not beneficial  to understanding truth. It makes me quite sure all your claims of encountering God in your other threads are just as irrelevant as this post.
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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 08:32:13 PM »
LOL DT that post was for Matthew and applies to his post, not yours.  Sorry, I guess I confused you by throwing "DT" in there, I only did so to refer to your question regarding the nature of truth.  The rest of my post is for Matthew.  Nothing I said other than "Indeed the meaning of truth could be speculated here" applies to you.
Hah, I thought the flow of it sounded a bit funny when I initially read it.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2014, 10:14:30 PM »
I meant egotistical. You used your video editing skills to do something to build your ego - you may not yet have the wisdom to recognise this, yet it is undoubtedly the case.

I say what I mean and I mean what I say. I don't produce fake videos of fake achievements, nor make fake claims of fake achievements - these things are not beneficial  to understanding truth. It makes me quite sure all your claims of encountering God in your other threads are just as irrelevant as this post.

Isn't there also wisdom in not creating conflict where it is unnecessary? You sound more angry than wise.
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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2014, 01:50:12 AM »
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I say what I mean and I mean what I say. I don't produce fake videos of fake achievements, nor make fake claims of fake achievements

Wow.  Firstly, the video is just as real as any other video.  Yes, the content has been edited, but if you check the format you will see that it is indeed a real video.  It exists in reality and meets all the criteria for a video. 

Secondly, I do not claim to have actually levitated.  I even explained how I created the effect on the original forum that I posted it on.  The members there were sharp enough to catch the sarcasm and satire of the video and my initial post revealing it.  I didn't think it would be necessary to include a disclaimer that this was not real, as you all seem pretty down to earth and it is clearly not real.  It was nothing more than a joke between me and a couple of people on another forum.  On a thread asking about people's achievements during meditation I jokingly said I could levitate.  I was then (jokingly) asked to post a video of it on youtube, and thought it would be a funny surprise to actually put forth a video.  I did it for others to enjoy and nothing else.  I posted it here simply to spread the smiles.  If I wanted to build my ego and fool people I would have created something that was actually believable and of higher quality, I would have used some actual equipment like a green screen and I would have taken my time editing. 

And once again, the word egotistical does not apply, even as you now seem to imply that it was used to describe the motivations behind my video, whereas you initially used the word to describe the ideas I presented about the nature of levitation.  Tricky guy!  My goal was for the happiness of others, to bring a smile to their faces.  So turn that frown upside down pal!  And maybe take some advice from Tobin while you're at it.  ;)  I would expect one preaching these ideas to behave more in line with the preaching, as it seems clear you have a chip on your shoulder and could have gone about relaying your feelings in a kinder and more sensitive way without the false insinuations.   

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2014, 03:04:09 AM »
Yeah, that's a bunch of egotistical shit if you are honest with yourself. Nuff said.

You don't seem yip realise that every attempt at trickery, bullshit or self-serving BS is egotistical and not egoistical.
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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2014, 05:00:16 AM »
It takes a special kind of person to get that sort of reaction out of Matthew   ???

Basically this thread is right on par with the rest of this guy's posts, Total BS! :D

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2014, 06:23:29 AM »
Maybe it's a matter of perspective. I'm not backing anyone up here, just speculating. Everything I've seen from Vince has been at least respectful. I can't say that for others in this post.

If what Vince posts is out of accordance with this forum, then make that the issue, not what he believes or doesn't believe. I've probably already ruffled some feathers and I apologize for that, but I feel those here who are angry should work on their equanimity towards the situation.


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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2014, 08:58:56 AM »
It takes a special kind of person to get that sort of reaction out of Matthew   ???


hahaha its very easy... anyone can do it.  ;)

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2014, 11:28:01 AM »
Tobin, sometimes you will have to kick people in the nuts. When you do that with love and compassion, that's equanimity.  :D
Take everything I say with a grain of salt.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2014, 12:21:08 PM »
It takes a special kind of person to get that sort of reaction out of Matthew   ???


hahaha its very easy... anyone can do it.  ;)

True, and to be clear I'm not angry, just bored. All the effort that went into making a fake video of meditation-flying, posting it here and subsequent discussion is an absolute frikkin waste of time.

When Vince starts to understand the Dhamma he'll understand that too.
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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2014, 01:14:25 PM »
VinceField, I just saw your video on YouTube. If it's for entertainment purposes you should put a disclaimer in the video description saying so (or atleast a smiley like this  ;) ). Otherwise, it is 100% deception my friend.

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The members there were sharp enough to catch the sarcasm and satire of the video and my initial post revealing it.

Not everyone is sharp enough. You have no idea how many people would already be convinced if they saw your video on YouTube without reading your forum posts where you acknowledge the video is fake. You've pretty much made people believe in a falsity, and that is bad kamma.

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My goal was for the happiness of others, to bring a smile to their faces. 

You can start by changing the audio to a more funny one rather than the sensational and trying-to-convert type you have right now.

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But the idea of levitation has been on my mind lately after hearing a monk say that he has seen it with his own eyes on more than one occasion.

If you're serious about levitation you could spend your time meditating instead of making videos.

Forgive me if I did not get your joke but I just get the feeling if Matthew had not caught you out, you would have gladly accepted that you did levitate.

Feel free to refute me  :)

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2014, 02:02:20 PM »
Im wondering how one can reconcile taking the piss out of levitation but being dead serious about experiencing God.

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2014, 02:02:49 PM »
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True, and to be clear I'm not angry, just bored. All the effort that went into making a fake video of meditation-flying, posting it here and subsequent discussion is an absolute frikkin waste of time.

Like you, I suppose you can say I was bored when I made the video.  But I'm almost certain that making that video was more productive than using my time to engage in other types of egotistical behavior like judging and projecting one's own negativity upon others.  You have exemplified the buddhist concepts of attachment and aversion quite clearly here through your use of harsh language, attitude and tone, which are also against the buddhist teachings of kind, helpful and harmonious speech, so I would recommend working on yourself rather than trying to criticize or change others.  If your angle was truly to teach me and you embodied the buddhist concepts that you preach you would have gone about this in a much kinder, calmer, and harmonious way.  Your hostility is apparent and offers a glimpse into your true motivations.

Anyone else taking the position that I have attempted to deceive others likewise needs to get real.  Your governments are killing thousands of people daily and terrorizing their own citizens to fulfill their own hidden agendas and you waste your time speaking out against the deception of a video of a levitation effect!?  Your accusations are laughable. 

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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2014, 04:52:24 PM »
Wow.  Firstly, the video is just as real as any other video.  Yes, the content has been edited, but if you check the format you will see that it is indeed a real video.  It exists in reality and meets all the criteria for a video. 

This is a rather inept semantic argument. In the video you claim to fly and originally it said it was the highest you'd done to date, implying it was not the first time you had levitated. It is not a real video of you levitating - in this sense it is no more real than Godzilla or spiderman.

Secondly, I do not claim to have actually levitated. 

Err, yes you did and as above implied it wasn't the first time.

I even explained how I created the effect on the original forum that I posted it on. 

Doing that here would have been honest.

The members there were sharp enough to catch the sarcasm and satire of the video and my initial post revealing it.  I didn't think it would be necessary to include a disclaimer that this was not real, as you all seem pretty down to earth and it is clearly not real.  It was nothing more than a joke between me and a couple of people on another forum.  On a thread asking about people's achievements during meditation I jokingly said I could levitate.  I was then (jokingly) asked to post a video of it on youtube, and thought it would be a funny surprise to actually put forth a video.  I did it for others to enjoy and nothing else.  I posted it here simply to spread the smiles.  If I wanted to build my ego and fool people I would have created something that was actually believable and of higher quality, I would have used some actual equipment like a green screen and I would have taken my time editing. 

You don't understand that all of the above is about building ego?

And maybe take some advice from Tobin while you're at it.  ;)  I would expect one preaching these ideas to behave more in line with the preaching, as it seems clear you have a chip on your shoulder and could have gone about relaying your feelings in a kinder and more sensitive way without the false insinuations.   

The only falsity in this thread is in the original post claiming the ability to levitate.

Like you, I suppose you can say I was bored when I made the video.  But I'm almost certain that making that video was more productive than using my time to engage in other types of egotistical behavior like judging and projecting one's own negativity upon others.

My first reply merely showed the fakery of your video. When you started trying to defend your actions it got boring.

Anyone else taking the position that I have attempted to deceive others likewise needs to get real.  Your governments are killing thousands of people daily and terrorizing their own citizens to fulfill their own hidden agendas and you waste your time speaking out against the deception of a video of a levitation effect!?  Your accusations are laughable. 

Unbelievable! How does a fake video of a levitation effect do anything towards countering "governments .. killing thousands of people daily and terrorizing their own citizens to fulfill their own hidden agendas"? I can't even believe you wrote this and meant it.

Yes, I could have been kinder at times. A long time ago a forum member wrote to me they thought you were trying to "poke" me as a person and "that you time and again refer him back to texts and that you do keep your quiet. I think you are doing very well."

My apologies to you Vince and to all members for being "poked" and not doing so well this time round.

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Matthew
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Re: Levitation while meditating!?
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2014, 07:11:30 PM »
Well this is a difficult situation then. On the one hand, Matthew does seem heavy handed and aggressive, but on the other I think Vince is so far from the insight this forum is centred on and determined to go places that aggravate there's no reasonable way to convey this to him.

Some serious decisions may need to be made. We've been here before and it was a drawn out exercise in futility.

 

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