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lokariototal

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Are Meditation or Mindfulness indispensable for happiness?
« on: September 23, 2013, 04:52:28 AM »
Lately, If I don't meditate frequently, I ultimately end up in my old negative patterns.

Are mindfulness OR meditation indispensable for happiness? Can one be truly happy without meditation or mindfulness in one's life?

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Re: Are Meditation or Mindfulness indispensable for happiness?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 05:03:24 AM »
If you find benefit from practice, it is best to keep it up. That's not to say people can't be happy without meditation at all, they just may suffer more, and once you see something, its pretty hard to unsee it.

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Re: Are Meditation or Mindfulness indispensable for happiness?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 05:13:45 AM »
I see it like this: meditation does not breed happiness, and happiness is not a result of meditation. What you do with the insights you've achieved is the real fruit of meditation. I know a couple of miserable people who meditate very frequently. Your problem is an interesting one. Be mindful not to crave meditation, lest it will bare no fruit.
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Re: Are Meditation or Mindfulness indispensable for happiness?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2013, 03:37:17 PM »
This is a very interesting thread.

As it happens, I've done some experiments and personal research into this. I've been practicing Vipassana very regularly (almost daily) for close to 10 years, since I was 22. And there have been periods when I've stopped doing daily practice for up to 2 weeks or even more. I may have gone a month at a few points without doing a proper one hour sit.

What I've noticed personally is; yes, I go back into the old, habitual and destructive thought patterns. It only takes about a week, and the protective layer of calm is weakened. There is more suffering in the mind, and I make big problems out of small things. Prone to more worry, fear, self-doubt, stress and anxiety. Depression returns, and I sometimes wonder if I'm prone to serious depression and would need to take meds if it wasn't for starting meditation so young. I also think about crap and would be likely to start using porn or masturbating regularly. Less likely to go out in nature and practice music in my spare time, more likely to get addicted to video games and eat junk food. Morely likely to put on weight due to craving for sweet food or chocolates.

But meditation seems to calm me so much deep within, that a lot of the above is "cured". Meditation is very important for me. Maybe it's an addiction? :) Well I'm not obsessive about it, and sometimes I miss my sits. But I guess if I'm honest with myself, there is a little bit of craving for meditation. If there wasn't I woudn't be so eager to do a 20-day and a 30-day course within the next year!
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Re: Are Meditation or Mindfulness indispensable for happiness?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 08:56:10 AM »
lokariototal,

Happiness is relative. If you are less dissatisfied with life when you mediate keep it up.

Lokuttara,

Meditation and medication come from the same Latin root "medicare" -to heal. It doesn't really sound as if meditation is an addiction for you but something you have found to be healing, to helpful in dealing with life's ups and downs. You're not alone there :)

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Re: Are Meditation or Mindfulness indispensable for happiness?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 04:13:58 PM »
This topic was hijacked and went far from the original question. The resulting discussion has been moved here: http://www.vipassanaforum.net/forum/index.php/topic,2245.msg23170/topicseen.html#new

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