Author Topic: Meat or murder?  (Read 11582 times)

pamojjam

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Re: Meat or murder?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2008, 11:15:29 AM »
... but i am saying that it reduces lifespan and health compared to a diet consisting mainly of tasty in season fruits, nuts, berries, sprouted seeds,

.. violently and dramatically so of the animals eaten.

May all beings be at peace..

pamojjam

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Re: Meat or murder?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2008, 12:12:10 PM »

Quote from: Samyutta Nikaya 15.13. - 136. - Timsamatta Sutta - Thirty Bhikkhus - Translated from the Pali by Bhikkhu Bodhi

While dwelling at Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove. Then thirty bhikkhus from Pava approached the Blessed One. Forest dwellers, almsfood eaters, rag-robe wearers, triple-robe users, yet all were still with fetters. Having approached, they paid homage to the Blessed One and sat down to one side. Then it occurred to the Blessed One: "These thirty bhikkhus from Pava are all forest dwellers, almsfood eaters, rag-robe wearers, triple-robe users, yet all are still with fetters. Let me teach them the Dhamma in such a way that while they are sitting in these very seats their minds will be liberated from the taints by non-clinging."

Then the Blessed One addressed those bhikkhus thus: "Bhikkhus!"

"Venerable sir!" those bhikkhus replied. The Blessed One said this:

"Bhikkhus, this Samsara is without discoverable beginning. A first point is not discerned of beings roaming and wandering on hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving. What do you think, bhikkhus, which is more: the stream of blood that you have shed when your heads were cut off as you roamed and wandered on through this long course - this or the water in the four great oceans?"

"As we understand the Dhamma taught by the Blessed One, venerable sir, the stream of blood that we have shed when our heads were cut off as we roamed and wandered on through this long course - this alone [188] is more than the water in the four great oceans."

"Good, good, bhikkhus! It is good that you understand the Dhamma taught by me in such a way. The stream of blood that you have shed as you roamed and wandered on through this long course - this alone is more than the water in the four great oceans. For a long time, bhikkhus, you have been cows, and when as cows your heads were cut off, the stream of blood that you shed is greater than the waters in the four great oceans. For a long time you have been buffalo, sheep, goats, deer, chickens, and pigs. For a long time you have been arrested as robbers, as highwaymen, as adulterers, and when your heads were cut off, the stream of blood that you shed is greater than the water in the four great oceans. For what reason? Because, bhikkhus, this Samsara is without discoverable beginninÉ. It is enough to be liberated from them."

This is what the Blessed One said. Being pleased, those bhikkhus delighted in the Blessed One's statement. [189] And while this exposition was being spoken, the minds of the thirty bhikkhus from Pava were liberated from the taints by non-clinging.


Quote from: Samyutta Nikaya 15.14-19 - Mata Sutta - Mother - Translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

At Savatthi. There the Blessed One said: "From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. A being who has not been your mother at one time in the past is not easy to find... A being who has not been your father... your brother... your sister... your son... your daughter at one time in the past is not easy to find.

"Why is that? From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things, enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released."

« Last Edit: November 25, 2008, 12:14:48 PM by pamojjam »

 

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