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Vipassana Meditation Forum => Meditation, Practice And The Path => Topic started by: cmason on December 06, 2016, 10:54:19 PM

Title: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: cmason on December 06, 2016, 10:54:19 PM
Hey guys! Quick little post intro before I ask my question(s). I've recently picked up meditation and been working towards a daily goal of at least 1 hour right now. This isn't done at once (hope to someday be able to do a 1hr session) but adding up all my sessions together.

The problem I've been having is that I'm having trouble focusing / losing my concentration. It's hard to explain but I feel like I'm close to falling asleep and can barely focus on the current thought. I feel like this isn't normal and that I should be able to focus on most and if not all my thoughts that are appearing while I meditate. I tried a few things that were mentioned in this article here (http://societyofzen.com/concentration-meditation/), but should there be more that I should be focusing on?

Sorry if this is a total beginner kind of question but I've been kind of stumped for a while now and wanted to hear some insight from you guys.  :(
Title: Re: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: Laurent on December 06, 2016, 11:08:01 PM
Hello cmason,

What do you exactly practice currently? What techniques are you using?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: cmason on December 07, 2016, 03:30:14 AM
Hi Laurent,

I practice mindfulness (if that even is the practice) and I focus mostly on my breathing.
Title: Re: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: Goofaholix on December 07, 2016, 06:05:14 AM
You don't need to focus, if you are getting sleepy during meditation you may just be trying too hard.  When a thought arises just notice thinking is happening, then notice when it passes away.  Wen nothing in particular id happening go back to noticing the breathing.  If sleepiness arises then just notice that, notice how it feels, try to maintain awareness despite the sleepiness and notice when you lose awareness and when it comes back.
Title: Re: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: behappy123 on December 07, 2016, 10:06:16 AM
I agree with goofaholix about the sleepy part.  If I try too hard, I start yawning, losing concentration and dozing.  The hardest part about meditation is actually not doing anything.  What makes it difficult for me is I really dislike not having control however during meditation it's the one time when I can truly practice relaxing, just observing and simply trying to not think.

If I'm thinking about what I should or should not be feeling, that to me is incorrect meditation.  If I'm lost in wandering thought, it's okay as long as I'm not actively participating in the thought.  I'll know if I'm actually participating because I'll have pauses in continuity of the story.  However brief, those pauses are an indicator to me of my mind searching for the next thing on the conveyer belt of thought.  By simply observing sensations, head to toe, particular region of the body, palms, i am practicing keeping my mind focused on something other than the random thoughts that trigger my past allow my mind to wander to the future.

The hardest thing to focus on is not having focus :)

Happy meditation :)
Title: Re: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: stillpointdancer on December 07, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
Hey guys! Quick little post intro before I ask my question(s). I've recently picked up meditation and been working towards a daily goal of at least 1 hour right now. This isn't done at once (hope to someday be able to do a 1hr session) but adding up all my sessions together.

The problem I've been having is that I'm having trouble focusing / losing my concentration. It's hard to explain but I feel like I'm close to falling asleep and can barely focus on the current thought. I feel like this isn't normal and that I should be able to focus on most and if not all my thoughts that are appearing while I meditate. I tried a few things that were mentioned in this article here (http://societyofzen.com/concentration-meditation/), but should there be more that I should be focusing on?

Sorry if this is a total beginner kind of question but I've been kind of stumped for a while now and wanted to hear some insight from you guys.  :(
Have a look at other, non zen websites for meditation ideas. Zen is a bit advanced really and can put people off. I managed to stay with meditation long term by developing meditations such as visualizations of 'happy places' and chakra meditations. Once you are more relaxed in your meditation, or rather your mind is, then you will find that concentration increases, if that's what you still want.
Title: Re: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: Laurent on December 07, 2016, 12:26:57 PM
I agree with stillpointdancer, zen method can be abstruse. If you have issues with thoughts, you can train focus to get more steady. Try things and see what is beneficial for you.
Observing sensations of sleepiness is a good advice too. When you are about to fall asleep, try staying aware of those sensations for some time.
Title: Re: Who Else Wants To Meditate Without Losing Concentration?
Post by: cmason on December 07, 2016, 06:08:52 PM
Thank you all for the wonderful replies. I just meditated and tried out some things that you guys mentioned, like not trying so hard and it was a very pleasant experience. I wasn't sleepy from start to finish and focused more on my body, like what was feeling itchy. I was able to observed a few thoughts, but not all.