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Vipassana Meditation Forum => Meditation, Practice And The Path => Topic started by: Paul on December 05, 2007, 01:18:09 PM

Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on December 05, 2007, 01:18:09 PM
Matthew, maybe you could say a bit about the importance of bringing meditation into everyday life?  For a long time I thought that meditation was only sitting cross-legged and focusing on something, I missed the whole point about observing everyday life also. 
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Stefan on December 16, 2007, 11:33:15 PM
Paul, you said it! And to anyone who reads this: Paul is right! Where's the point in being full of equanimity and compassionate love on your cushion, and ten minutes later you sit in your car and curse and spite and wish sudden death to the donkey in the car behind you!

Metta even to the donkeys, Stefan
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on December 17, 2007, 07:26:47 AM
keep it up guys :)
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on January 07, 2008, 08:36:19 PM
Note to self

Needs something about the Bramavihara to bring in the off the cushion aspect.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 07, 2008, 09:38:36 PM
Matthew, now who the hell is that?   ;D
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on January 08, 2008, 06:09:53 AM
Don't ask me. I don't exist.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 08, 2008, 09:02:43 AM
Paul I googled it and that is what I found

The four Brahmavih?ras are a series of virtues and a Buddhist meditation practices designed to cultivate those virtues. Brahmavih?ra is a term in Pali and Sanskrit meaning “Brahma” abidings”. They are also known as the Four Immeasurables.
(loving-kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy and equanimity).

1.Metta /Maitri: loving-kindness towards all; the hope that a person will be well; loving kindness is "the wish that all sentient beings, without any exception, be happy.”
2.Karuna: compassion; the hope that a person's sufferings will diminish; compassion is the "wish for all sentient beings to be free from suffering."
3.Mudita: altruistic joy in the accomplishments of a person, oneself or other; sympathetic joy, "is the wholesome attitude of rejoicing in the happiness and virtues of all sentient beings."
4.Upeksha: equanimity, or learning to accept both loss and gain, praise and blame, success and failure with detachment, equally, for oneself and for others; equanimity means "not to distinguish between friend, enemy or stranger, but regard every sentient being as equal. It is a clear-minded tranquil state of mind - not being overpowered by delusions, mental dullness or agitation."

According to the  Brahmavihara Sutta  Shakyamuni Buddha held that cultivation of the Brahmavih?ras has the power to cause the practitioner to be re-born in the 'realm of the Brahma ' .


The Buddha taught the following to his son Rahula (from "Old path white clouds " by Thich Nhat Hahn):

"Rahula, practice loving kindness to overcome anger. Loving kindness has the capacity to bring happiness to others without demanding anything in return.
Practice compassion to overcome cruelty. Compassion has the capacity to remove the suffering of others without expecting anything in return.
Practice sympathetic joy to overcome hatred. Sympathetic joy arises when one rejoices over the happiness of others and wishes others well-being and success.
Practice non-attachment to overcome prejudice. Non-attachment is the way of looking at all things openly and equally. This is because that is. Myself and others are not separate. Do not reject one thing only to chase after another.
I call these the four immeasurables. Practice them and you will become a refreshing source of vitality and happiness for others."



thank you Matthew
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 08, 2008, 09:04:42 AM
And this is a breif brayer that includes them,

May all sentient beings have happiness and its causes,
May all sentient beings be free of suffering and its causes,
May all sentient beings never be separated from bliss without suffering,
May all sentient beings be in equanimity, free of bias, attachment and anger


 :) Tara
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 08, 2008, 09:17:47 AM
What do you think of the Bramavihara Tara?  I practice them, but not enough I think.  Its so easy to put all one's effort into Samatha/Vipassana because it seems that the path of liberation lies here but I strogly suspect that without Bramavihara practice the path will be even longer and the goal maybe unattainable.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 08, 2008, 09:43:11 AM
I guess that what Matthew meant by "Needs something about the Bramavihara to bring in the off the cushion aspect" but then unless he started to exist again we won’t know  :)

Metta: I practice Metta everyday as soon as I wakeup and before I go to sleep.
Karuna: Working at it, a year a go I didn’t have any compassion for any one. Sympathy yes but not compassion.
Mudita: Envy takes me away from sympathetic joy, believe it or not I envy the Buddha for being a Buddha.
Upeksh: I fail at times and succeed at others

I think they are all related,. Metta lead me to practice compassion and with metta and compassion I am hoping to cultivate sympathetic joy, Sammatha and Vipassana will eventually lead to equanimity 

Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 08, 2008, 10:02:36 AM
Your practice is far more methodical than mine Tara, and I think its a great idea to practice in the way you do.  When you practice, in general how long do you practice for?  I think you're right, they do seem to be related, sometimes they seem to be parts of a whole.

Today I should be practicing one of them, I have a lesson to learn from all this.  Work seems even more annoying and petty than usual, everyone getting wound up about what seems to me to be petty details.  Yet the fact they get would up is winding me up and my mind is passing judgement as if its on a pedastal above everyone.  I can just about keep to observing the whole thing without getting dragged into the the cauldron and losing it; I hope I can learn the lesson from this whatever it might be!
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on January 08, 2008, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: The Irreverent Buddhist
Note to self

Needs something about the Bramavihara to bring in the off the cushion aspect.

Matthew, now who the hell is that?   ;D

Quote from: The Irreverent Buddhist
Don't ask me. I don't exist.

I thought Paul was making a joke about "note to self" as I witter on about no-self so much. haha

Point re the Brahmavihara was in regards to Paul's note about bringing meditation into daily life. To my thoughts the Brahmavihara is where "bringing it off the cushion" is at. Holding the Bramavihara in mind, with the mindfulness one develops on the cushion, ones behaviour towards others naturally manifests differently as practise progresses.

We covered what the Brahmavihara are in a thread started by Paul called What about Brahmavihara? (http://vipassanaforum.net/forum/index.php?topic=39.0).

:D
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 08, 2008, 11:56:27 AM
I thought Paul was making a joke about "note to self" as I witter on about no-self so much. haha

I think you are absolutely right and I stand corrected. I have never read that post and I thought I have read every word on this forum.  :-[
sorry Paul got it wrong I have mistaken who for what . me speak no English that is why
or this is my excuse anyway

Your practice is far more methodical than mine Tara, and I think its a great idea to practice in the way you do.  When you practice, in general how long do you practice for?
 

I didn't realize this before but my background had prepared me for this practise all my life. I studied science for over 12 years so that where the methodical thinking comes from. and the army training gave me the self discipline and stamina to carry on no matter what.
I do two hours a day, one as soon as I wake up starting with Metta and one before I go to bed. I do metta or anapana if I can't sleep. and I try to be aware of the breath during the day. Some days I do very well and some days I fail miserably.
Gosh, I sound like a goody two-shoes, but I am not in fact despite all this I still suffer through a lot of things on and off the cushion. How about you Paul

Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 08, 2008, 12:05:22 PM
Today I should be practicing one of them, I have a lesson to learn from all this.  Work seems even more annoying and petty than usual, everyone getting wound up about what seems to me to be petty details.  Yet the fact they get would up is winding me up and my mind is passing judgement as if its on a pedastal above everyone.  I can just about keep to observing the whole thing without getting dragged into the the cauldron and losing it; I hope I can learn the lesson from this whatever it might be!

When that happens to me I sometimes manage to just be aware of the wound up feeling and stay with that and also I do Anapana.that helps me sometimes not to react from those feelings.

keep me posted
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 08, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
Matthew was right, it was a joke or anyway a half joke.  Its a question I contemplate more and more, its become like a koan and helps with detachment and equanimity (which I need today!).   

I try to meditate twice a day for an hour each time, giving 1 hour to samatha/vipassana and 1 hour to a Brahmavihara.  But with a young family and a wife who doesn't understand why I meditate its not easy to spend this amount of time sitting, and I often end up with 1 session per day, and with my 1 session per day its nearly always samatha/vipassana.  Like you I try to rest with the breath all the time and my degree of success varies from day-to-day.

I seem to have weathered the storm today, its calmer around here and I managed to observe all the way through.  There was even a lot of greed that arose at lunchtime that I was able to observe too, so I guess today is excellent so far :o)
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 08, 2008, 03:56:52 PM
I seem to have weathered the storm today, its calmer around here and I managed to observe all the way through.  There was even a lot of greed that arose at lunchtime that I was able to observe too, so I guess today is excellent so far :o)

Dear Paul,
well done for today.

Your challenge is much much harder then mine I salute you for the effort. your are so involved in life and you still find time to sit and you know a lot about the theroy of the practice.

My life is a lot easier than yours. I am married and my husband is very supportive and totally understands why I need to meditate not just because of what I said but also because of the positive changes he is seeing.  I don’t have children and not planning on having any. I don’t own anything and I live a very simple life. So I have all the time in the world to do what I need to do. I don’t know if I had your challenge I would be able to rise to it.
how many children do you have?



Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 08, 2008, 04:11:58 PM
Thank you Tara, its kind of you to say all that.  Whether its easier or not I don't know.  Each life must have its advantages and disadvantages, but for sure a family life and being caught up in the rat race materially, even if not mentally don't help.  I have two boys, 9 and 7.  They're really cool about me meditating, and in general if I ask them to leave me alone for an hour to meditate they will.  My wife was quite supportive of it but her support has lessened recently, I think she has forgotten about the state I was in before I started meditating.  I think her support will be cyclic anyway, both states of support and non-support being impermanent  :)  I am really lucky in that I live in a beautiful area with the southern Alps within 1/2 hour and I can walk to the foothills of the southern Alps from my house in a matter of minutes - so I get up in the mountains quite a lot and meditate or just be mindful there and that's where I seem to realise the greatest progress on this path.  I'm incredibly lucky to have that because without that space and emptyness around me I guess my life would have been so distracted that I would never have heard of the Dhamma :)
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 09, 2008, 02:24:08 PM
I am really lucky in that I live in a beautiful area with the southern Alps within 1/2 hour and I can walk to the foothills of the southern Alps from my house in a matter of minutes - so I get up in the mountains quite a lot and meditate or just be mindful there and that's where I seem to realise the greatest progress on this path. 

You are really lucky, I would swap countries with you any time  :)
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 09, 2008, 09:07:09 PM
   

I try to meditate twice a day for an hour each time, giving 1 hour to samatha/vipassana and 1 hour to a Brahmavihara. 

Paul, how do you do the 1 hour Brahmavihara?
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 09, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
For metta I let the feeling come by itself if it will.  Then I focus it on a mentor, a friend, a neutral person and a difficult person in turn.  I sometimes use phrases to wish them freedom from harm, happiness, calm etc, whatever feels apprioriate, sometimes the metta flows by itself without phrases towards them.  I try to connect.  After the individuals, I radiate out to groups of people, starting with all the inhabitants of the village, then the country, then the world, then onto animals, insects birds and fish - all living beings.  Not forgetting of course the rats and cockroaches  :)  After that, I finish by myself, then just sit in the metta for a while and let it flow out to wherever/whatever/whoever.  For compassion I try to find someone who is in a lot of suffering who I know, or at least see regularily, and feel compassion for their situation.  Then I go onto a situation where someone is causing the suffering of someone else, and feel compassion for both people.  Then I go onto someone I really don't like who causes suffering to others, and feel compassion for them (understanding that their lives can't great if they act like that).  I rarely bother with sympathetic joy, but when I do its like metta but just with the 4 people, feeling joy for them in certain aspects of their lives. 

They are always close variations on those themes.  Sometimes they are incredibly porwerful, have but most often its a bit of a battle to keep concentrated on anything other than the breath.   I've found them incredibly valuable, even just in mundane everyday life for breaking down that separatedness I used to have (I used to really have a lot of it!) being able to really listen to people when they talk, and overcoming my pre-conceptions about people.  Its also given me a greater closeness to animals, less of a separation somehow.

What about you, do you use similar methods?  Do you find they change things in your life too? 
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 09, 2008, 10:29:46 PM
Do I have to do it for cockroaches, I have cockroaches phobia  ::)

I only practice Metta, as soon as I wake up and before I go to bed, I do it maybe ten mins (I don’t really time myself).  like you I radiate it out of my body. Starting first with myself and then my husband, my parents, my siblings, relatives and so on till it goes to all living beings. I wish them well happiness and peace. I wish that may no harm come to them and may they have patients courage understanding and determination to meet and to overcome inevitable difficulties and problems in life.
Then I start then I do vipassana.


I am not really sure if the change in my life is due to Metta, meditation or the fact that I am more aware of what goes around.

do you sit still for the whole hour?
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 10, 2008, 08:54:52 AM
Well, it should be directed a every living being  :)  Mind you, I find it easier to direct metta at cockroaches than to some politicians.  I haven't even attempted the CEO of the company I work for yet  :-[   Anyway it seems that our methods are very similar - start small than radiate out. 

I sit still for the whole hour when I can, but I often do 5 minutes walking meditation after 1/2 hour or even just stand and stay meditaing for a while to straighten my legs out.   I said I did an hour, however whatever meditation I do it takes me between 10 and 30 minutes mindfulness of breathing to get my mind still enough to meditate without constant thought interference.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 10, 2008, 05:58:32 PM
Oh I didn’t know politicians were included in the all living beings  :D, giving the choice I would gladly send metta to the cockroaches.
"cockroaches may you be happy, well and peaceful"
 I didn’t know about Brahmavihara at all so I am glad I made the mistake in posting. I will give it a try and see what it does. Mind you I think it would be more powerful to do it off the cushion and be aware of it during the day.
Metta to you
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on January 10, 2008, 07:47:30 PM
I didn’t know about Brahmavihara at all so I am glad I made the mistake in posting. I will give it a try and see what it does. Mind you I think it would be more powerful to do it off the cushion and be aware of it during the day.
Metta to you

Hence my earlier post :)

Note to self

Needs something about the Bramavihara to bring in the off the cushion aspect.

The Brahmavihara are best practiced every single moment you can remember to :)

Matthew
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 10, 2008, 10:07:34 PM
Tara, if you're interested theres an excellent book on the subject - Lovingkindness by Sharon Salzberg.  After I'll stop recommending books if not you're going to think I've got shares in amazon  :-[

You're right Matthew and Tara, its best to do it whenever you can I guess.  The thing is it didn't occur to me until I started practicing Brahmavihara on the cushion, but I realise now that I was living in a bubble more than most people do, and the Brahmavihara bought me out of the bubble very efficiently.  Now I've learned to listen and just be there with people and its making my social life much more healthy.  I should have started this stuff ages ago, its so positive all round and its been around for 2500-odd years - how can it be that this has been so ignored and complete ignorance and materialism favoured instead???
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on January 10, 2008, 10:26:52 PM
Because people are deluded and greedy.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 10, 2008, 10:35:17 PM
Tara, if you're interested theres an excellent book on the subject - Lovingkindness by Sharon Salzberg.  After I'll stop recommending books if not you're going to think I've got shares in amazon  :-[


I didn't think that, I actually immediately thought how many books has he got!!!

how can it be that this has been so ignored and complete ignorance and materialism favoured instead???
I don't think it has been ignored.  but I think the reason for materialism being favoured instead is human nature the desire for instant gratification, it is a lot easier to go and buy something, even if you couldn't afford it or you don't need it, and feel better then sit for an hour and be aware of your breath. And not even wait for the unknown benefit.
Also,  people in power wouldn't like it if the common man woke up. So they blind everyone with adverts telling you what you must have, like your life depends on it, So they keep everyone under control.Most people are hypnotised and to be honest if you want an easier life join the crowd.

I am off now to get the new must-have-for-this-season jimmy choo shoes!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 10, 2008, 10:38:08 PM
Yes completely Matthew, and also very stupid.  Life becomes so much better as we start shaking off delusion and greed (although in my case I know they're still alive and kicking just a little weaker than before), but it seems to take so much to get us to open our eyes and see that simple fact.  It took me a depression and even then it was pure luck that the right book landed in my lap.  It seems incredible that the human race, who can send rockets up to the moon and build skyscrapers isn't even capable of looking after its most prime need - happiness - in a recognised, tried and tested way, and instead searches for happiness in Ferraris and Luxury Yachts.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 10, 2008, 10:57:45 PM
I didn't think that, I actually immediately thought how many books has he got!!!
Not really, I just talk a lot about the few I've got  :)  It also comes from my family life, if I can't spend all evening meditating at least I can read books; I can't stand the TV anyway.
I don't think it has been ignored.  but I think the reason for materialism being favoured instead is human nature the desire for instant gratification, it is a lot easier to go and buy something, even if you couldn't afford it or you don't need it, and feel better then sit for an hour and be aware of your breath. And not even wait for the unknown benefit.
Also,  people in power wouldn't like it if the common man woke up. So they blind everyone with adverts telling you what you must have, like your life depends on it, So they keep everyone under control.Most people are hypnotised and to be honest if you want an easier life join the crowd.
Yes, I agree with the instant gratification.  And to be totally honest, if a course existed where you could gain enlightenment after one weeks study and it cost 500 Euros, I'd probably do it so all I can say really is that I seek gratification outside the material aspect, so I've still a lot of conditioning to unravel too  :P

As for the people in power, yes they are no doubt intelligent in a sense, but equally deluded too in believeing that they can find happiness in holding onto their power.  I was watching a manager in the company I work for do a presentation the other day. He has climbed 'high' in his career, and is a true shark.  But as I watched him doing his best, behind the image he tries to present if you look honestly you can see that he just a very tired, confused and bewildered person, whose always looking over his back waiting for the guy he trod on 5 years ago to get his revenge, never at ease.  Its written in the physical symtoms of his pre-ageing face and greying hair.  Yet he can never escape, he pushed by his ego and perhaps his wife and children too to earn more-and-more to maintain and enhance their salubrious lifestyle.  To my surprise I really felt compassion for the guy. 

Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 11, 2008, 08:40:33 AM
to be totally honest, if a course existed where you could gain enlightenment after one weeks study and it cost 500 Euros, I'd probably do it

Actually I found one. Do you remember the thread I posted about the use of Binaural beat technology, I found a site that advertise the technology as “ meditate like a Zen master at a push of a button ) how about that. If only the Zen masters knew they didn’t need to sit and go through all that pain. If the drug establishment really caught up with the benefits of  mindfulness they would invent a tablet to increase your awareness and open the gate to Nirvana.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on January 11, 2008, 09:04:58 AM
If the drug establishment really caught up with the benefits of  mindfulness they will invented a tablet to increase your awareness and open the gate to Nirvana.

Then patent it and keep it on the shelf ... because enlightened people live enlightened healthy lives. And would not make good customers for ... drug companies. Much like the ever-lasting light bulb that was invented decades ago and instantly patented by one of the biggest light bulb manufacturers because they realised it wasn't good for business (screw the environment where is my $$$$?).
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 11, 2008, 09:23:29 AM
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Then patent it and keep it on the shelf ... because enlightened people live enlightened healthy lives. And would not make good customers for ... drug companies.

Good point
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 11, 2008, 09:47:10 AM
Lol, Tara I came accross the one about meditating deeper than I Zen master too, unfortunately I gave them my email and they've been spamming me ever since!  The spams are however unintentionally hilarious, here's the subject line of the one I received yesterday:

"What is Enlightenment? Here, I'll show you..."  In fact its a book that's on special offer, who would have thought?

I guess it is only a matter of time before some corp decides to try to exploit this; there are many individuals out there doing it already sadly, like the person who sent me that email.  Humanity really is in a sad, sad state. I'm sure we'd be horrified if we knew all the patents for cures for illnesses or environmental solutions that are being sat on by greedy corporations.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 11, 2008, 06:04:33 PM

I was watching a manager in the company I work for do a presentation the other day. He has climbed 'high' in his career, and is a true shark.  But as I watched him doing his best, behind the image he tries to present if you look honestly you can see that he just a very tired, confused and bewildered person, whose always looking over his back waiting for the guy he trod on 5 years ago to get his revenge, never at ease.   Yet he can never escape, he pushed by his ego and perhaps his wife and children too to earn more-and-more to maintain and enhance their salubrious lifestyle. 

Paul,
Your boss is another string puppet, I was talking about the real  “world’s managers".
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 12, 2008, 10:28:58 AM
Lol, Tara I came accross the one about meditating deeper than I Zen master too, unfortunately I gave them my email and they've been spamming me ever since!  The spams are however unintentionally hilarious, here's the subject line of the one I received yesterday:

"What is Enlightenment? Here, I'll show you..."  In fact its a book that's on special offer, who would have thought?

I received a similar email from Bill Harrison the guy involved the film “the secret” it says

If you have any interest in consciousness, spirituality,
personal growth, and development of our species,
you SIMPLY MUST subscribe to this amazing
publication.

You are right some people are already cashing on the idea of enlightenment.
To be honest I personally used to buy into that stuff. Years ago I used to think if I just read that book, I will get there, If I just go to that retreat I will know the truth etc etc….
Now I tend to turn my back on most statements that have an absolute or certainty in them.
From my experience in life there are very very few things that are certain

Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 12, 2008, 10:30:01 AM
OK Tara I see what you mean, effectively not the same animal there we're looking deep into the lower levels of pond life!
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on January 12, 2008, 10:32:00 AM
From my experience in life there are very very few things that are certain

Very few. Everything will change - that is one. But it is the cause of all the others lack of certainty perhaps.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Paul on January 12, 2008, 10:35:10 AM
Lol we posted at the same time. For your last post - yes, its the same guy!  I never bought any of that stuff, but I must admit that there are a few books on the bookshelf that I'm slightly embarrassed about  :)

Now it seems more simple, we just meditate to calm our minds and observe until we see through our delusion and free ourselves from our conditioning.  I can't imagine that there could ever be a quick fix for that, only in time can we reach the calm and wisdom to attain our goals.
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 12, 2008, 10:50:24 AM

Very few. Everything will change - that is one. But it is the cause of all the others lack of certainty perhaps.

Yes very few, you mentioned one, the others I am certain this body will decay, I am certain I will have pain,  difficulty, pleasure and success in my life, I am certain that my suffering comes from aversion or craving. I am certain that no one will ever be able to video and audience with God and show it to the world to convince them of his or her existence.
 
Title: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Green Tara on January 12, 2008, 10:53:44 AM
I must admit that there are a few books on the bookshelf that I'm slightly embarrassed about  :)


like what?

 

Now it seems more simple, we just meditate to calm our minds and observe until we see through our delusion and free ourselves from our conditioning.

is it though?!!! :-\
Title: Re: Re: Meditation: Some basics for beginners.
Post by: Matthew on February 28, 2008, 12:43:24 PM
I've added the off the cushion aspect to the main topic using the Brahmavihara. I've split the discussion here to a separate topic to simpliify. More discussion, suggestions for improvement, etc always gracefully received with thanks.

In the Dhamma,

Matthew