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Slfdevelopment

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Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« on: March 15, 2017, 01:51:32 PM »


Many masters teach their students that emotions and feelings is just a physic reaction of how you chose to react on thoughts. This meens that we easly can shose how we can react on a thoughts with not identifying us with the thoughts. They often say that emotions and feelings is just illutions.
This way we can shoose not to be in suffer, feeling pain, hate, gready, sad or frustrated.
But the trap is: when you becomes good at this. But you sudently realize that  you sudently has learned to ignore good feelings too like: love, happines, lust, fun, empathy and sympathy.
If bad emotions and feelings are fake, illutions.. then good emotions are too?  How to deal with this reality? Why do I never hear any masters who speaks about this important subbject ?


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Re: Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 06:07:02 PM »
I think their message is, or at least should be, to have emotions, but to gain skills in dealing with them. You don't need to ignore them if you understand how not to be a slave to them, if you learn to react to them in more skillful ways.
“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” Franz Kafka

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Re: Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 04:46:16 AM »
There is something to be said for the "dispassionate disposition" but generally speaking the idea is the matter of maintaining equanimity which here comes down to avoiding clinging and attachment to "good" or "positive" emotions. But yes, even good emotions are "illusions" in the sense that they are transient and impermanent.

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Re: Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2017, 01:57:52 PM »
This forum treats essentially about vipassana meditation, which is a buddhist meditation technique.
I don't know what you are talking about, but vipassana meditation does not lead to eradicate emotions, but to eradicate tanha, which means thirst, craving and aversion, due to ignorance. This will only eradicate emotions relative to craving and aversion, or ignorance, like anger, hostility, envy etc...
It is said that Buddha cried when he saw births and deaths of beings. You can also see Metta Sutta, full of love and goodwill.
Some passages in the suttas show that a lot of disciples of the buddha cried after his death.
Saying that a perfect human, an arahant does not feel emotions anymore is debatable, but saying that meditations lead to delete emotions is wrong.

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« Last Edit: March 16, 2017, 02:00:18 PM by Laurent »
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Re: Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2017, 01:18:05 AM »
Many masters teach their students that emotions and feelings is just a physic reaction of how you chose to react on thoughts. This meens that we easly can shose how we can react on a thoughts with not identifying us with the thoughts. They often say that emotions and feelings is just illutions.
This way we can shoose not to be in suffer, feeling pain, hate, gready, sad or frustrated.
But the trap is: when you becomes good at this. But you sudently realize that  you sudently has learned to ignore good feelings too like: love, happines, lust, fun, empathy and sympathy.
If bad emotions and feelings are fake, illutions.. then good emotions are too?  How to deal with this reality? Why do I never hear any masters who speaks about this important subbject ?

This post is wrong & best ignored.

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Re: Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 09:49:51 PM »
Why is this wrong?  Why should the post be ignored ?

 I would like a good answere! It was a  real Wake up Call for me,  when i relized i was deep into this trap. This happened for 3 years ago now.
 I have meditated for 30 years now. I started in kindergarden. On my path have i  studied alot of genres in meditation, becouse i like to be open minded and not bonded to one filosofi. And wherever i went i heard the same Things, said With different Words. Well on that periode for 3 years ago:
 i couldnt cry anymore when my grandmother died becouse i knew i could ignore sorrow

, i couldnt laugh or feeling joy becouse i realized that it was just an illution
 
I stopped thinking my girlfriend was sexually atractive anymore.. for what is sexual attraction?  nothing is really sexy?
And did i really love her? What is love?

I relized that moust of the bands i used to tell evryone i loved and that i identified myself With? was mostly Music my big Brother listened too. and i wanted to be him. and i never got out of that immagination.

My friends,, after hours, days mouths years after that i found my self again.   Even if you can choose to ignore evrything? should you? If you are free to imaigine good feelings or bad feelings? what do you want to choose. is the choise so hard?  Well its a fact that it is always easier to choose negative emotions or to ignore. The best way to achive real happiness again is to do good Things. The best way to be be happy is to make others happy  :)  i have started to work With elders, Deadly sick persons, autisms, and spread love daily. Becouse i choose to imagine that it brings good Things to the world :) The Choice is Yours ! :) peace


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Re: Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2017, 10:47:57 PM »
Yes, thouse Things that made you happy... as computers, druggs, parties,.ciarrets, expencive fashion clothes? do you really need them? do they make you happy?  Is thouse Things really you or Products?  NO !  Face the fact that its illutions !


One really cool question to ask modern urban man of  is: How does a sexy girl look like?
The most common answere is:  "A thin sunbrown girl, With big boobs, big ass, and no body hair"

In many old cultures  "fat" is sexy becouse it shows that you are Rich and can afford alot of Food. so thin Girls wasnt very pop there.
So if modern urban Peoples think fat is sexy and thouse communities think thin is sexy? are both sexy or non? does it proves its an illution?

Most modern  Young men cant stand Girls body hair. Many says thats really unsexy and turn off. Weird that no Girls before 1970 used to shave their body hair... and no men complained about it?

And why is sun Brown sexy? In the 1900th  tried evryone to hide from the sun  used emberellas or hided inside and powdered their body With white powder .. becouse only slaves or hard workers.. low clas Peoples was subbrown.  so sunbrown Girls was  really unsexy? 

Media, porn industry, big buisniss tries even to tell us what to be attracted to. its just illutions my friend <3
Wake up and love real Girls for who they are ! <3





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Re: Important warning! Watch out for this trap on your path
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2017, 10:36:48 AM »
I fell in to this trap as well. Think it's called nihilism. I read and was open to too much spiritual information and I got confused.

The solution was to stop reading new stuff and start trusting my own common sense.