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Offline siddharthgode

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practise doubt
« on: Friday 23 December 2011, 02:14 PM »
hey all,
hope all are doing great....

recently my vipassana sittings are going very well. so i am happy :)
i have one doubt , my meditation sittings are turning into something like driving a car.... its like scanning is for sensation and being equanimus to it is constantly going on where as my mind does thinking at the same time. but just like in driving where we can actually be aware of only driving and stop thinking  i can stop the thinking and concentrate on actual scanning which slightly increases efficiency.
so should i try to take control of the car?
even if i dont i know i wont make an accident  ;D

metta,
sid

ps: someone pm me the link where i can know what happened to dusko? i was afk for sometime now

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 December 2011, 10:52 PM »
Try to keep a beginner's mind.
Meditation makes me angry...

Offline siddharthgode

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 December 2011, 06:49 AM »
care to explain please  :)

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 December 2011, 09:54 PM »
Try to do your body scans as if they were the first time you did them. Take nothing for granted or fully understood or completely explored. Scan your body looking for the most subtle sensations or try to scan in places you've never scanned. Try to see if you can distinguish variations in those familiar sensations.
Meditation makes me angry...

Offline Matthew

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 December 2011, 01:55 PM »
Dusko will be back soon ... he took a break by mutual consent.
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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 December 2011, 02:44 PM »
Hello Siddharthgode,

A few years ago I told a friend, that I could be aware of my body and my feelings, and still have thoughts and go with the thinking process. She reacted, that in doing vipassana meditation one does not go with the thinking process.
So one sticks with being aware only. And the attention should be one-pointed.
Say, the is attention on the body. If a thinking process interrupts, and the attention is no longer on the body, one might use noting: "thinking, thinking". If the thinking vanishes, the attention goes back to the body. At any rate the attention is with one thing. Not with two things simultaneously.
So it is different from driving a car and talking with your neighbour at the same time.
I am sure that also in the Goenka style, the concentration should be one-pointed.

In the style I learned, it is not necessary to stick to the body all the time. If something else comes to the fore, and replaces the body-awareness, it is allowed to give the full attention to that. As we all know, things pass - so the thing that came to the fore will go to the background, and one returns to the body.
From what you write, it sounds like you are doing a routine. So if I were in your place, I might name: "Doing a routine". I would be aware to what that does to my system (thoughts, feelings, sense of meaning, rate of alertness, whether I feel closed-up or spacious, and such) and then give my attention to the body again. The full attention. No half-heartedness, no restraint.

May the path give you courage.

Offline siddharthgode

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 December 2011, 12:55 PM »
well in vipassana its not attention its awareness.
what you are describing is similar to anapana where attention for 1 point is necessary. where as in awareness it is possible to have multiple objects of observation. and this is what were r trying to develop along with equanimity.
if we start using one pointed concentration we will be doing exactly what vipassana doesnt want us to do, right?

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 December 2011, 07:18 AM »
Vipassana does not want you to do anything. Vipassana means insight, it has no volition.

Attention, or mindfulness, brings awareness/insight/Vipassana. Anapana and other Shamatha forms are aimed at developing one pointed concentration through relaxed wakeful mindful continuously refocussing your attention/mindfulness on the chosen object; Vipassana is a fruit of this concentration, not a technique.

One pointed concentration is also a fruit of Shamtha so you can't "start using" it until you have developed it. When you have developed it you will use it to develop your awareness/insight/Vipassana, to drill down into experiential phenomena finding their roots. Equanimity to all arising phenomena is also continually developed. All these take practice.

Getting confused in language is very easy.

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 December 2011, 11:05 PM »
Your meditation should never become too autopilot.  Be as fully present in the moment as you can without straining.


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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 January 2012, 08:15 AM »
Hi Siddharthgode my friend,

Did you try to follow Buddha's teaching instead the way he teaches in Anapanasati Sutta?
Here is a link which might benefit you;
http://cheguebuddha.blogspot.com/2011/12/original-teaching-of-buddha.html?m=0


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ps: someone pm me the link where i can know what happened to dusko? i was afk for sometime now


I was out of the picture for two months. Im back again.

May you be happy and free from the 5 hindrances

Offline siddharthgode

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Re: practise doubt
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 03 January 2012, 07:11 AM »

I was out of the picture for two months. Im back again.

May you be happy and free from the 5 hindrances

ty. wish you the same  :)

 

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