Letter from Sacha

[Morning Dew]

Hi Sangha,

I got this email from Sacha to post it in his thread Harmonious Communication. The thread is removed from the forum so i decided to post it here

Hi Dusko.  It's Sacha.  Can you please post a final message for me in that thread on Harmonious Communication.  Thanks, take care.  The message is :





Dear All

I wonder how many of you actually tried to fathom what I was reaching for in this thread : I was talking about a different way of communicating.  You seem all to have missed it.

My experience of people through my life has been quite straightforward.  Once you find the courage to be open to someone, well ... they just take it as an opportunity to pour their crap into you.  99% of people are like this.

Matthew's posts in particular were quite gutless in this respect.  Always defensive, aggressive, he obsesses with my 'issues', my 'inner child', my 'psychlogies' etc...  Is there any respect there at all ?  Clearly he is pouring it all in.



Dusko : I wish you well, and good luck with your lovely garden, wife, and dog.

Quardamon : I will always hear your beautiful music.  Do you ?  God bless you.


Perhaps I have only shared with you all my difficulties.  Many of you have shown concern for me.  But you don't know me.  My inner and outer situation is very strong, and moving very fast.  I am more sane, stable, and resourceful then you could imagine.  And closer to the earth and to god then you realise.  Don't pray for me, I just don't need it.  Pray for you own being.  I wish you well.

I will see you in the field.

May we all have wisdom and compassion to deal with lifes difficulties.

D

[Andrew]

Dear Sacha

Everyone made whatever effort they could to connect with you Sacha. You are unfortunately so wrapped up in yourself and this self created jungle of contradicting Osho BS there is no other word for it but LOST.

Sorry Sacha, it's not us it's you. You are so deluded it boggles the mind to comprehend it. Your problem didn't happen when you were born but when you decided not to grow up and continued to whine like a baby on here for months. You have continually claimed to be the worlds most hurt and misunderstood person, turns out you were lying then?
 

Perhaps I have only shared with you all my difficulties.  Many of you have shown concern for me.  But you don't know me.  My inner and outer situation is very strong, and moving very fast.  I am more sane, stable, and resourceful then you could imagine.  And closer to the earth and to god then you realise.  Don't pray for me, I just don't need it.  Pray for you own being.  I wish you well.

I will see you in the field.

Perhaps only your difficulties? Are you kidding?  You know you only shared your exaggerated difficulties and made the worlds biggest deal of anything you thought was a slight against you. Although there is little chance you will change based on anything I say, here it goes. Stop being so wrapped up in yourself and think of other for a change. Make a connection and give others what it is you think you are missing. You will be surprised what happens.

Get well soon

Andrew

 

[Alexanderjohn]

I'm choosing not to comment on others threads although in truth I believe their is lots of unskilfull talk flying around but to be honest if talk is unskilful let it be unskilful, it is just the refection of the truth of our thoughts, we shouldn't deny it. The beauty of being a meditator is that we are learning not to be stingy and defensive when others poke at our flaws. Part of being part of a sangha is learning to accept this and growing in dhamma as a result.

Sacha, haven't been here in a while mate didn't realise you were leaving. Understandable, everyone needs a break now and again, keep sitting, keep loving and learning. I wish you all the best Sacha, don't block out anything at the same time don't chase it, be open, meet people, learn to love and be loved, this is the purest of all communication. I don't need to tell you this but just don't forget it.

Metta,
Alex

[Andrew]

For the record, Ivana emailed me to let me know that she didn't create any issue behind the scenes with Sacha. I took this at face value and said sorry to her for saying that in the now non existent thread..

[Morning Dew]

We all failed. We can use this failure to become better at supporting one another on this slippery path.

May we have wisdom and compassion to do so

[Andrew]

Dusko,

I think you did your very best to help out, more than anyone could be expected. I actually thought perhaps he was just about to 'get it', and perhaps he still will. With this medium is so easy to portray something you're not, but your willingness to reach out was matched only by Sacha's refusal to unmask himself and admit what he said above, he wasn't telling the truth of his life at all but a confused version of it. He actually has alot more resources available than he wants to admit.

Having a go at Matthew was what I did as well, so I'm no angel. The whole authority figure drama is a doosy. I hope Sacha in time sees the shame of his words and it breaks that false castle of thoughts he has built for himself.

[chintan]

I did not read anything on the thread on Harmonious Communication - looks like it was not so harmonious afterall.. Sacha is an enigma - various facets of personality not in coherence - I wish him well.

Matthew mate - looks like you again got some flak - I understand and appreciate the effort you put in and the care you take to nurture this Sangha. Its a tricky position to be in. For me personally the whole experience of this Sangha has been invaluable and attribute it to you in no small measure.

Metta...

[Matthew]

We did not fail. Sacha is psychotic/delusional.

This is not a Psych ward and none of us are qualified or experienced to heal him.

I'm sorry he left but he asked me to post the same message and I told him to go away because once you want to delete your account you don't have the right to piss over everyone's legs as you leave.

[Morning Dew]

Matthew mate i feel lots of bitterness in your reply. And that is OK mate
Ok, we did not fail. Let it be now and enjoy ur holidays

Much love to you mate.
Be well

[mettajoey]

Matthew mate i feel lots of bitterness in your reply. And that is OK mate
Ok, we did not fail. Let it be now and enjoy ur holidays

Much love to you mate.
Be well

I hear a lot of frankness and honesty in Matthew's post. 
Metta,
-Joey

[Stefan]

Matthew mate i feel lots of bitterness in your reply. And that is OK mate
... Let it be now and enjoy ur holidays

I hear a lot of frankness and honesty in Matthew's post.

frankness, honesty and bitterness ...

[Morning Dew]

We all failed. We can use this failure to become better at supporting one another on this slippery path.

May we have wisdom and compassion to do so

Will we ever learn? Wisdom and Compassion seems to be something people around here use as it suit their egos.

Pitty realy how push away those who dont abide the rules. Here i see how the world works. My way or the high way. All communities, cultures, nations behave the same.

Dusko,
I think you did your very best to help out, more than anyone could be expected.

LOL at Andrew and cry at Andrew at the same time. You were wrong then and you are wrong now. You desperately hold for the stronger side. I was on the stronger side at that time and like you, like Matthew so was i just an a hole towards Sacha. So much about communities.

Ah let me see, some of you might say "why dont you just drop this and forget about it". Well he was part of this community, someone in need for actual heart felt support and not in need for some hot shots meditators (read Dusko, Matthew, Andrew) to shit and piss at him.

I see not much diference in your attitude towards me at this time. Nothing heart felt from Matthew and Andrew only need to justify their practice.

How sad how sad.

[Morning Dew]

Just to add;

How come nobody is talking to me about Sorrow and how to deal with it, rather most of you keep it so personal. You poor little egos including me. I will make this community understand or perish together with sacha, ivana and all those who come after us. We will meet again though we will
Nothing escapes the wheel of life and death.

We areno Gods Joey said. I know that mate no reason for insulting my IQ (just a joke). What we are is a bunch of non-realised blind meditators trying to lead other blind ones over the ancient bridge.

This forum community has not what it takes to assist people on this shakey path. The dharma overground has as well as kenneth folk.

[Morning Dew]

In Tonglen practice of giving and receiving we take on, through compassion, all the various mental and physical suffering of all beings: their fear, frustration, pain, anger, guilt, biterness, doubt, and rage; and we give them through love all our happiness and well being, healing and fullfillment.

Soglyal Rinpoche

[Matthew]

Tell us how this sorrow feels Dusko.

[Morning Dew]

It feels heavy. Sitting on the chest. Hard to breath. Ungrounding. Numbing the mind. No clarity. Sitting locked in the unfallen tears.

[Matthew]

talk with yr wife dude. and let the tears roll. mindfully it heals. maybe go back to the simple feelings in the body as you breathe. and relax. let go. be well.